Continuation of our discussions with Marc Deluzet (1), around the subject of his collaborative work on “Large-scale corporate transformation” (2). [Read the first part : 1. On work people do…] 2. On participation… AM+DA: Sustainable change cannot happen without participatory processes. Because if people cannot participate, they cannot understand and they cannot learn, and therefore their willingness to commit themselves is diminished. On this principle, we are once again on the same wavelength with you.